Comments on: Mozilla SeaMonkey and More Confusion http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/ making sense of mixed up software Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:30:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Mozilla SeaMonkey and More Confusion by: Jeff Schiller http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/#comment-77 Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:19:06 +0000 http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/#comment-77 Mauriat: Yes, the Mozilla source base has been using the name "seamonkey" internally for quite some time to indicate their codebase. That's why the name for the Internet Suite is a bad one, because it's not like you can take the Mozilla codebase and simply compile it and out comes the internet suite. There is a good deal of modification/extension that goes on top of the codebase to get to an internet suite (just like there is Firefox-specific code and Thunderbird-specific code). Anyway, my point was just that the internet suite "SeaMonkey" is not a "Mozilla" product anymore than the Flock Browser is. In other words, the internet suite is a community-based project that use the open-source Mozilla codebase to make their own product, unlike "official Mozilla products" like Firefox, Thunderbird, Camino and XULRunner. In other words, the Internet Suite has been divorced from Mozilla... At least this is my understanding, someone feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken. Mauriat: Yes, the Mozilla source base has been using the name “seamonkey” internally for quite some time to indicate their codebase. That’s why the name for the Internet Suite is a bad one, because it’s not like you can take the Mozilla codebase and simply compile it and out comes the internet suite. There is a good deal of modification/extension that goes on top of the codebase to get to an internet suite (just like there is Firefox-specific code and Thunderbird-specific code).

Anyway, my point was just that the internet suite “SeaMonkey” is not a “Mozilla” product anymore than the Flock Browser is. In other words, the internet suite is a community-based project that use the open-source Mozilla codebase to make their own product, unlike “official Mozilla products” like Firefox, Thunderbird, Camino and XULRunner. In other words, the Internet Suite has been divorced from Mozilla…

At least this is my understanding, someone feel free to correct me if I’m mistaken.

]]> Comment on Mozilla SeaMonkey and More Confusion by: Mauriat http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/#comment-76 Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:58:02 +0000 http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/#comment-76 Jeff: <i>It’s my understanding that SeaMonkey uses Mozilla code, but it is not an official Mozilla product, it is “community-driven”.</i> ... SeaMonkey <i>is</i> the Mozilla code. I guess this is obvious to Mozilla insiders. There is some information on the <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/seamonkey-transition.html" rel="nofollow">seamonkey transition information page</a>. Jeff: It’s my understanding that SeaMonkey uses Mozilla code, but it is not an official Mozilla product, it is “community-driven”. … SeaMonkey is the Mozilla code. I guess this is obvious to Mozilla insiders. There is some information on the seamonkey transition information page.

]]> Comment on Mozilla SeaMonkey and More Confusion by: Jeff Schiller http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/#comment-75 Sun, 05 Feb 2006 05:00:29 +0000 http://www.mjmwired.net/linux/2006/02/04/mozilla-seamonkey-and-more-confusion/#comment-75 Speaking of getting names right, I don't think it's "Mozilla" SeaMonkey. It's my understanding that SeaMonkey uses Mozilla code, but it is not an official Mozilla product, it is "community-driven". Yet more confusion for the user base... sigh... I downloaded and played with it - but I really only need a browser anyway, and to me, SeaMonkey's Navigator just feels and looks too much like Netscape 4.x. Thus, it FEELS like 5-year-old product. Call me superficial, but they need to update their "chrome" while at the same time give me more compelling reasons to move away from Mozilla Firefox. Where are the Live Bookmarks? For an "internet suite" it's really surprising they don't include any Web Feed (RSS/Atom) features - then again I only installed the browser and composer, maybe I'm missing something... And why obscure my web page with an old-school pop-up Find dialog? Why can't I customize my toolbars? Where's the incredibly useful Google/Yahoo/MSN search box in my toolbars? Why make two ways to save bookmarks (one that blindly appends to the top-level Bookmarks menu, one that allows me to put it in a subfolder of my choosing). Why not allow me to right-click on bookmarks in toolbar folders? And they've just go to admit they've lost the battle on some things (Edit &#62; Preferences vs. Tools &#62; Options). (Btw, if anyone knows how to do any of the above using SeaMonkey, please let me know). On the other hand, I have heard claims (from SeaMonkey fans, of course) that SeaMonkey uses less memory/resources than Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird combined. Seems like a sensible claim to me, but when XULRunner becomes the way Firefox and Thunderbird are deployed, that advantage should also evaporate if I understand things correctly. Speaking of getting names right, I don’t think it’s “Mozilla” SeaMonkey. It’s my understanding that SeaMonkey uses Mozilla code, but it is not an official Mozilla product, it is “community-driven”. Yet more confusion for the user base… sigh…

I downloaded and played with it - but I really only need a browser anyway, and to me, SeaMonkey’s Navigator just feels and looks too much like Netscape 4.x. Thus, it FEELS like 5-year-old product. Call me superficial, but they need to update their “chrome” while at the same time give me more compelling reasons to move away from Mozilla Firefox.

Where are the Live Bookmarks? For an “internet suite” it’s really surprising they don’t include any Web Feed (RSS/Atom) features - then again I only installed the browser and composer, maybe I’m missing something…

And why obscure my web page with an old-school pop-up Find dialog? Why can’t I customize my toolbars? Where’s the incredibly useful Google/Yahoo/MSN search box in my toolbars? Why make two ways to save bookmarks (one that blindly appends to the top-level Bookmarks menu, one that allows me to put it in a subfolder of my choosing). Why not allow me to right-click on bookmarks in toolbar folders? And they’ve just go to admit they’ve lost the battle on some things (Edit > Preferences vs. Tools > Options).

(Btw, if anyone knows how to do any of the above using SeaMonkey, please let me know).

On the other hand, I have heard claims (from SeaMonkey fans, of course) that SeaMonkey uses less memory/resources than Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird combined. Seems like a sensible claim to me, but when XULRunner becomes the way Firefox and Thunderbird are deployed, that advantage should also evaporate if I understand things correctly.

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